Wer glaubt an Europa?

00:00:02: Table today.

00:00:08: We want Europe to be strong, we believe that Europe must survive and as Europe... ...we must stand on our own two feet!

00:00:17: We must

00:00:17: build out

00:00:18: hard power because

00:00:20: that is the currency of The Age.

00:00:22: Europe

00:00:23: MUST become more independent.

00:00:26: there is no other choice.

00:00:29: We should proud what we achieved together in last century But now we must confront

00:00:35: and embrace

00:00:37: the opportunities of a new one, because yesterday is over.

00:00:43: The future

00:00:44: is inevitable...

00:00:46: ...and our destiny together

00:00:48: awaits.".

00:00:49: Thank you!

00:00:53: A year after the U.S.

00:00:54: vice-president JD Vance spoke to Europeans in a certain way….

00:01:00: …the transatlantic partner of Americans like an ugly child measured now took US Foreign Minister Marco Rubio and

00:01:08: at least

00:01:09: rhetorically

00:01:09: back into his arms.

00:01:11: In a gentle tone he swore the historical root of common partnership, and repeatedly emphasized the common, the cooperation.

00:01:20: But in the matter also there was no nuance

00:01:22: to Marco Rubius.

00:01:23: The relief

00:01:25: with Europeans were still

00:01:27: great.

00:01:28: standing ovations for foreign ministers.

00:01:31: Is that really the new start?

00:01:33: Or does someone do something to us?

00:01:35: We analyze that here.

00:01:36: And we don't talk with members of the federal government, who are well-formulated in diplomatic sentences – Rubio Lopen!

00:01:44: But one of the most influential Trump supporters in Europe has brought this speech and the relationship he should analyze once.

00:01:52: Investor Christian Angermeier.

00:01:54: He is among the closest supporters of the Trump family as a businessman too….

00:01:59: …and is with Peter Thiel to the conservative tech-millionaire and Trump supporters.

00:02:05: This is the unwavering view of the Trump administration on our Europe, which I didn't want you to miss this Sunday!

00:02:12: But we still have other interesting guests for you at this morning Christian Stocker from Austria's Bundeskanzler – a country that isn't in the NATO yet but is in the middle of the European times.

00:02:23: Now make suggestions like Europe could go back into economic policy again how maybe the wire could also be revitalized to Russia, even Vladimir Putin.

00:02:35: In addition we are talking with the vice admiral Dr.

00:02:40: Thomas Daun.

00:02:41: It is about Germany's security that will be defended in all, and this man leads the new part-time forces cyber detachment.

00:02:50: Why these troops are at least as important like Herr Luftwaffe und Marine?

00:02:54: He'll tell us soon!

00:02:55: We also hear the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who has held a remarkable speech in Munich.

00:03:01: And we also hear of

00:03:03: the European

00:03:04: Commission's President Ursula von der Leyen because she has given herself an open new agenda.

00:03:10: Welcome to another and last-time table today special directly from the Munich Security Conference on this Sunday, February

00:03:26: the fifteenth!

00:03:26: Friendly in Thune, everyone even smiles, personally in the expression of Suva.

00:03:29: The appearance of US Foreign Minister Marco Rubio.

00:03:33: You could feel in the hall, especially at the Europeans, that several swindlers of relief after this almost twenty-five minute speech.

00:03:46: Marco

00:03:47: Rubios

00:03:48: said

00:03:51: he wanted

00:03:52: to revive transatlantic friendships but with each other, like eh and jeh...

00:03:57: And we don't want a separation!

00:04:01: That's what he was saying.

00:04:06: ...and you thought about the paper for divorce that J.D.

00:04:15: Vance handed over here to the Europeans one year ago and now, at least before he had to go back into the Schuttbladermus.

00:04:31: By the way, Rubio used the word together for twenty-one times in his speech – almost once per minute!

00:04:41: With JD Vance it came exactly three times a year ago.

00:04:44: For thirty-four times Rubio chose verbatiming formulations….

00:04:49: with Vance you had to look them up with the magnifying glass.

00:04:52: Exactly six times it was so far.

00:04:53: To almost fifty percent Rubio made personal statements only five percent complaining, but J.D.

00:05:00: Vance was exactly the opposite.

00:05:02: One thing was clear – Marco Rubio is the friendly face of Trump administration!

00:05:07: But just maybe that too because internally the US Foreign Minister took nothing back from Vance's speech with his Cuban roots by the way as he later in an interview at Bloomberg

00:05:19: emphasized What the vice president said last year very clearly was that Europe had made a series of decisions internally threatening to the alliance and ultimately, themselves.

00:05:28: Not because we hate Europe or don't like Europeans but what is it that we fight for?

00:05:32: What binds us together?

00:05:34: The fact our all heirs are a common civilization one should be very proud of.

00:05:39: only after we recognize them make their core why they were allies in first place can build out mechanics.

00:05:47: then everything else makes more sense.

00:05:52: Of course, the climate neutrality in Europe is our goal.

00:05:58: And for these European governments it's also a right to order and not only use an approach-oriented economic

00:06:05: policy.".

00:06:06: What Rubio did not say was that just Republican states are massively profiting from the climate investment of the Inflation Reduction Act.

00:06:14: But now because mass migration has been a topic with Rubio as well – he said and called it a

00:06:25: threat to the society of society.

00:06:28: The fact that Europe has long been a turning point in the unregulated migration, it is a hindrance.

00:06:35: And the sentence?

00:06:37: That border control should be a fundamental act of national sovereignty

00:06:52: rather than an expression of foreign enmity.

00:07:00: In the meantime, even social democrats would underline this.

00:07:16: So at least these passages are appropriate.

00:07:23: And the

00:07:24: failure to do so is not just an abdication of one our most basic duties owed to people.

00:07:31: It's a urgent threat... ...to the fabric and survival of civilization itself.

00:07:37: and their unique military strength, which can end wars or weaken nuclear weapons.

00:07:49: International institutions like the UN are not there because they will be lashed by some countries' veto rights.

00:07:57: However, here as well this one half sentence was missing because the alternative to a regular order is not American leadership alone but rather the right of power.

00:08:08: By the way, that's what the Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Jie said on stage at the Munich Security Conference after his speech.

00:08:16: Without the UN, so the Chinese said, you turn back to the law of the jungle!

00:08:21: So let's talk about Rubio.

00:08:23: In psychology, one would speak of toxic positivity.

00:08:26: It sounds good and it felt much better than this friendly and smart-going Florida Republican.

00:08:34: But internally, with the administration like that, no other politics could come to rubio either.

00:08:43: Maybe these passages were directed towards the inside.

00:08:47: The Europeans are a little bit irritated, especially when it comes to interior design.

00:08:50: Because Marco Rubio is in the race for the successor of Donald Trump and as I was told by a Republican delegation, there were two bulls around the successor here .

00:09:03: And the emperor loved it if he was the heirloom owner but no one knows exactly where he is.

00:09:08: Rubio against JD Vans?

00:09:09: That's not just ... a transatlantic bond with different tonality.

00:09:20: It is also the race around the White

00:09:31: House.".

00:09:31: The German Foreign Minister then spoke of what many in the federal government thought, focused on the evaluation of the speech rather than only on positive aspects like here Johann Wadefühl at Deutsche Welle.

00:10:04: In any case, it should be... Keine der anwesenden europäischen Mitglieder der Sicherheitszene und der Regierungszentralen eine Rückkehr zu transatlantischer Romantik nach dieser Rede vermuten.

00:10:16: Deshalb haben auch wir hier keinen Gast eingeladen, der uns wohl formulierte diplomatische Floskeln präsentiert sondern einen der unverhohlen und ungeschminkt Trump-Logic & Trump-Agenda auch im Hinblick auf Europa formuliert.

00:10:32: Es ist Christian Angermeier einer der erfolgreichsten europäischen Investoren.

00:10:37: Five billion dollars he earns with his company.

00:10:39: Among other things, the money is invested in brain-computer interfaces and psychedelic research.

00:10:44: His business partner is the famous Peter Thiel, a doctor-conservative tech-millionaire of Trump

00:10:51: supporters.".

00:10:52: How does Trump think about how his administration looks at Europe?

00:10:56: This can be heard here by Christian Angermeier.

00:10:58: Have a nice day!

00:11:00: Hello Christian

00:11:01: How do you

00:11:03: see your day off here on the MSC?

00:11:06: Everything, like

00:11:07: every year is one of my favorite events.

00:11:10: I don't know if it's right to be inspired because the topics are relatively depressing but for me now when I'm inspired by a lot of learning and so to speak always such good insight into ...the Vizag Modani status quo and the machinations in international politics.

00:11:27: We often talk about where the trends are, what the journey is like... Can you tell us something different from last year?

00:11:32: I'll

00:11:34: come to say a little bit of warning because I think Rubio's speech was taken very positively by Europeans.

00:11:42: So with every politician that I've talked to since this speech we were just talking about sound.

00:11:47: And I believe it's important!

00:11:48: The tone has been much more friendly But in the content, it was exactly the same speech.

00:11:52: So I totally agree with him.

00:11:53: but what do you think?

00:11:54: I already had a little bit of that feeling again and i think this is wrong.

00:11:57: some european politicians say they don't even have such a strong opinion.

00:12:01: we can continue to get through like so far.

00:12:03: And he said my answer No no no.

00:12:05: look at the speech once more.

00:12:07: He just said the exact same thing with JD Vance.

00:12:10: They give us one chance now.

00:12:13: We can also talk friendly, but if you then again as Europe.

00:12:16: I think that's the subtle tone.

00:12:18: If we fall back to what we have done over twenty years wrong and don't move at all except with pressure.

00:12:26: Then we get the jelly beans next time.

00:12:28: What

00:12:28: does it actually mean?

00:12:29: You give us another chance.

00:12:30: Maybe in the meantime there are other welfare models or cultural models.

00:12:35: First

00:12:35: of all for this one we do not have.

00:12:37: So let me just go with business.

00:12:39: The other model I see as an investor is that our model is completely eroded.

00:12:48: And we are in a mixture of ignorance and hope.

00:12:54: the world goes on... So it is, like the last thirty or forty years ago where your German model worked great.

00:13:02: And its not!

00:13:03: I have no message here.

00:13:05: I am now in America for many reasons.

00:13:08: We are currently going down the drain.

00:13:13: But we don't feel that yet.

00:13:14: but so to speak if this really becomes noticeable then definitely too late.

00:13:20: I would compare Europe with cancer.

00:13:26: and yes when you go to the doctor Then the right, hopefully medical advice is actually.

00:13:31: And that's what Americans do with us.

00:13:34: Get your shit together.

00:13:36: Chemotherapy and all of this isn't funny!

00:13:38: There might be one doctor who says to take a little more opioids.

00:13:42: You're gonna feel amazing but somewhere you are going to die.

00:13:45: I'm like my main point when asked why Americans are so rough because they sit there and see everything.

00:13:54: Opposite as well how it goes through their head.

00:13:57: And they say, we are your friends.

00:13:59: We know almost every cabinet member in the USA who like Europe.

00:14:05: JD Vance is probably one of the biggest pro-Europeans but he says that you can't look at how someone whom we like and appreciate needs it.

00:14:15: by the way!

00:14:15: There's also a bit of selfishness involved because they believe that next twenty or thirty years in this world where we go America and Europe need to be on their side.

00:14:27: But because we want, like and need you can't look at how you're doing right now.

00:14:33: You are a cancer patient who instead of the therapy which is not nice to do... Just more opiates.

00:14:41: We have

00:14:42: to get rid of it first time.

00:14:44: I love your passion, but there are many topics

00:14:46: because my concern is that only because the ruby was

00:14:49: a little nicer already for the first reaction

00:14:51: from european prince say oh we don't really need so much.

00:14:55: and i said no.

00:14:56: If that is your takeaway

00:15:00: from this speech, then good night.

00:15:10: the common cultural identity in Europe.

00:15:15: I wouldn't go into that now, but climate change will of course be part of our local problems and our climate policy is seen as a problem there.

00:15:23: Many experts here also see

00:15:27: it differently in business.

00:15:28: First of all – let's call this climate cold – only or above all we have to save CO₂.

00:15:34: if you look at the numbers, for example Germany has saved from CO₀.

00:15:38: Then it is completely irrelevant, what we are talking about.

00:15:41: Completely.

00:15:42: And our economy has overloaded and overloaded with a completely crazy and knocked down climate policy which I can also say myself by the way.

00:15:50: nothing else to say that was a religion or death cult in no way business-like.

00:15:55: So if you even say where for example now probably personally would not say well i think this is the climate wall of the city then one must concentrate on it with positive technologies to manage either the climate change or geoengineering, for example.

00:16:11: But this whole CO²-obsession is completely different.

00:16:14: Secondly the Americans would say that there are a lot of more serious problems and much bigger ones which may not bring us around in about forty years but maybe even ten next year.

00:16:30: In recent years climate has been very high among both.

00:16:33: And as I said it just has a significantly lower importance than other problems to solve.

00:16:40: and where I personally would say, you have the right.

00:16:43: Let's talk about the ways in which you communicate with each other.

00:16:47: I believe that a Rubio speech would be accentuated here in German politics differently than it does in Germany.

00:16:58: You can discuss this as well, but at least he doesn't blame and makes a suggestion on how to organize.

00:17:03: life here in Germany is different for Trump sometimes.

00:17:07: That's why the question is whether or not

00:17:09: you are a businessman?

00:17:10: Would you build up a reliable business relationship like Donald Trump?

00:17:13: That's the way I have it with my children.

00:17:14: We have a reliable business relationship between our families, and

00:17:16: we also

00:17:16: work together in the company.

00:17:17: Do

00:17:17: you plan security at Donald

00:17:19: Trump?

00:17:19: Yes, exactly!

00:17:19: I think what we always mix is that Americans have learned... And of course Trump may be an extreme outcome.

00:17:30: Now one anecdote which makes no sense.

00:17:32: as Trump won his first presidency.

00:17:34: Someone asked me in Germany during politics back then If I didn't do a briefing, it was known that we knew each other and so on.

00:17:40: And then I had set ten points of plan at the time because no one thought he would win or prepare for it.

00:17:47: That's before he became president candidate!

00:17:51: Those were the core points in his first night and those are the core point from his second night.

00:17:58: My number-one point during this briefing for a German politician is when NATO spending has to be raised.

00:18:07: And then the answer was yes, that's what our friend Obama has already told us.

00:18:12: Exactly the same content.

00:18:13: Okay?

00:18:13: Then actually George W. Bush also said okay and in fact this person said we have to do it too!

00:18:21: We don't even have a problem with that yet or I don´t know if you have any problems with that but we just ignored them.

00:18:28: But we didn´t do anything about it either.

00:18:29: Yes, Christian you are right.

00:18:30: It is simply not an easy topic.

00:18:32: in Germany Twelve years ago, the two presidents that we call friends said this.

00:18:41: And at the same time we admit it's right and then just don't do what is tedious... ...then we have a Donald Trump who says the same thing to us.

00:18:51: He doesn´t say anything else now but he says come on!

00:18:53: Again I take the cancer problem again.

00:18:56: then I just have to shake you.

00:18:57: I don't

00:18:57: think there would be such an eruption if at the same time we, with its administration had almost proposed that we want to exchange the population so that we do not have any freedom of opinion

00:19:07: and that one should choose the AfD.

00:19:09: It is exactly like this again in my life when a friend who has cancer tells me it's overbearing If only for your own health care.

00:19:15: Yes?

00:19:16: You can call it overbears or maybe... Or they may also

00:19:18: know about our health But let

00:19:20: us talk about it, okay We are not talking about immigration but i believe This is one of our biggest problems which we completely ignore.

00:19:26: Europe

00:19:27: doesn't do that at all!

00:19:28: There is a core trend in European migration policy, it's obviously not radical and maybe isn't fast enough but I think there are some.

00:19:34: Yes now you

00:19:35: have already admitted yourself she wasn´t radical enough so she didn'

00:19:38: t be fast enough.

00:19:39: And for Trump she isn't radical enough.

00:19:42: But what about Europe?

00:19:42: We have the democratic system, if this continues then

00:19:46: you will become such a tanker.

00:19:47: By the way, I'm probably more into US politics than a German one.

00:19:50: That's why Benefit is still there!

00:19:52: I hope that we'll be able to move enough

00:19:59: from here

00:19:59: on out.

00:20:00: The second point was... My opinion is clear.

00:20:04: I think the trend is wrong.

00:20:05: For example what happened with Daniel Günther episode?

00:20:09: That was unthinkable, so I think... You have to look

00:20:11: at the broadcast very closely and then you'll be in a different position again.

00:20:15: But it's unthinkful!

00:20:16: I don't have any right to say that anymore.

00:20:18: For every opinion in Germany there is a hard public discourse.

00:20:22: There isn´t an entry into this yet.

00:20:24: No

00:20:24: but to say if it is unthinkfull when discussed, the opinion might even be restricted?

00:20:28: It´s unthinkfuly.

00:20:29: This actually

00:20:30: doesn´t require relevant political parties in Germany.

00:20:33: What a debate is, whether you should ban the AfD.

00:20:35: And of course we can discuss that as well... That's

00:20:36: not even considered, because

00:20:37: I am an entrepreneur and I'm also wrong in the fair

00:20:39: competition.

00:20:39: I think everyone knows what they're talking

00:20:41: about.

00:20:41: Yes it isn't

00:20:42: the AfD but I tell all my friends, yes he is still in all for me party democratic middle.

00:20:49: by the way this is CDU and SPD Because i like the green ones and the left one just as radical.

00:21:00: They are just as impregnated with the AFD.

00:21:12: We have decided on such a small media-based society.

00:21:20: You can compare it with

00:21:21: competition.

00:21:22: If a company attacks you... Falschmethoden mit fragwürdigen Methoden.

00:21:29: würdest du auch das Recht einsetzen?

00:21:30: Es könnte sein, dass die AfD ein anderes System will.

00:21:32: Die Demokratie zersetzt und deswegen zu Recht untersucht werden

00:21:35: muss.

00:21:35: Okay aber lasst mal das auch so vor.

00:21:37: ich würde vorsicht sagen.

00:21:38: die CDU und die SPD haben tolle Leute.

00:21:41: ja die wissen auch die Probleme.

00:21:44: Ich glaube da kommen wir jetzt bei uns und sie sehen die probleme und wir haben noch drei Jahre Zeit.

00:21:49: Ja, ich glaube wenn sozusagen die beiden Parteien im Mitte CDU and SPD.

00:21:53: And CSU is one of them, yes?

00:21:55: But CDU-C is an SPD... If they give us the answers or if we change things

00:21:59: etc.,

00:21:59: then this AFD problem will be solved.

00:22:04: However where I am now and what I think about it again because there's a way too much complacency which is way to much laziness when you believe that you can apply for a competition like the AFD or even the other extreme, the communists, by banning or whatever, but we are positive enough.

00:22:25: So I believe in the CDUC and SBTS that they

00:22:33: can do it very easily so to speak... But you have also got to do this!

00:22:44: Attractive, where do you see an attractive investment?

00:22:46: or is that not available at the moment?

00:22:48: Only

00:22:48: in mobility and defense tech.

00:22:50: At the moment I am very negative about what Europe looks like.

00:22:54: so my prediction would be if we don't change anything then neither are we going to go down either by doing it again just for a short time because now everything is purely economic reformation innovation energy policy and immigration.

00:23:05: but since then we have been in Greece for ten years.

00:23:09: right now i can see this gap which has always been there But the well-being, innovation and the gap in any sense between Europe as a whole.

00:23:19: Yes but we think most of it because we were still the exception to Europe And the USA is incredibly open.

00:23:26: The good thing about this is that it's positive.

00:23:28: I've already seen the last eight or ten times here.

00:23:31: I believe people are thinking more about it than ever before.

00:23:35: When i thought how they can close this gap That was always the first start.

00:23:38: It wasn't even the problem at all.

00:23:41: Thank you very

00:23:42: much, Christian Angermeier.

00:23:43: You're

00:23:43: welcome.

00:23:43: There

00:23:45: were a few usual appeals by Rubio.

00:23:51: New, however not.

00:23:52: As important as it was, the performance of President Zelensky himself.

00:24:01: In Munich he used once

00:24:12: again the big stage for a passionate performance and had this time brought with him a presentation that made great letters over the stage.

00:24:24: There were numbers to see,

00:24:27: e.g.,

00:24:27: these.

00:24:27: More than six thousand drones

00:24:33: are alone in January from Russian territory, crashed into Ukrainian cities.

00:24:54: One hundred sixty rockets, five thousand five hundred glide bombs.

00:24:58: All of them in this January!

00:25:01: Nevertheless, my self-confident and combative Zelensky who has not yet lost the humor of his country even after almost four years of oppressive attack on Russia.

00:25:11: Give us two months of ceasefire.

00:25:13: we will go to elections!

00:25:14: That's it!

00:25:15: Give us cease fire.

00:25:17: give us security

00:25:18: infrastructure

00:25:19: If

00:25:20: Americans need elections in Ukraine And if Russians need elections here in Ukraine.

00:25:26: We are open for this

00:25:29: Secretary General

00:25:31: But we can also give ceasefire for Russians if they will do elections in Russia.

00:25:49: Austria, you know that this is formally neutral.

00:26:04: No member in NATO and yet it must be found as a country in the middle of Europe in a world where everyone is fed up.

00:26:12: In which the price for energy has been exploding since the Russian attack war and in which the big ones, either E-III or E-VI want to go without the smaller ones.

00:26:23: So what does this Christian Stocker think?

00:26:25: which is somewhat like the term of the Austrian language.

00:26:29: No alarmism, no big gestures and no populist rhetoric – you know that from Austria differently too!

00:26:35: But he's a man with clear words and clear ideas.

00:26:39: For example also the surprising demand to take direct negotiations with Russia, especially Vladimir Putin.

00:26:47: Have a nice day, Mr.

00:26:49: Chancellor Stocker.

00:26:50: A nice good day.

00:26:50: How

00:26:50: great was it for him after talking about Marco Rubio?

00:26:55: Yes, it was at least a good signal.

00:26:56: what this speech is about.

00:26:58: Whether that's already reason for lightness we'll see.

00:27:00: How serious do you have to take?

00:27:01: If he

00:27:03: has an entirely different sound system than the European-American relationship with J.D.

00:27:12: Vance Is that part of a power struggle in the USA or does that belong to the true America?

00:27:17: I can neither judge

00:27:19: whether his power struggle is there nor judge if it belongs to the real America.

00:27:24: I have only seen that it is good if you take everything that has been said seriously.

00:27:30: And so, it's easier to accept the truth than some others who have heard of this.

00:27:34: In your conversations with colleagues from European Central Regions,

00:27:38: how specifically

00:27:39: and consciously does this new Europe want?

00:27:43: I think

00:27:45: that Friedrich Merz spoke very well in his opening speech.

00:27:48: From my point of view, Europe is at work... to do their own work.

00:27:55: When we solve these tasks, then we will find a different position ourselves and also have a stronger reposition in the world.

00:28:05: Do you share

00:28:06: the analysis that can only play a more powerful role over economic strength at the end of geopolitical Europe?

00:28:11: I share this

00:28:13: analysis.

00:28:13: The European Union comes from an economic union.

00:28:18: This has nothing to do with the fact that we have become a political union, with a solid foundation of values.

00:28:30: But we must not forget the root and economic base.

00:28:34: And I think if we get back our economic strength again... ...we will also be able to build up our security systems better to become stronger in the security issue, and it will lead

00:28:53: that we may be heard more about this in future than now.

00:28:57: The Federal Chancellor has put a lot of value on this advice for competition, which was announced half-a-year

00:29:02: ago.

00:29:02: How specifically were the measures you have decided?

00:29:05: I think these results are predictable.

00:29:07: It was an informal meeting, so there are no decisions.

00:29:10: The formal meeting takes place in the city of Merz where decision-making should be made and in preparation for this formal meeting in March we will be in the frame of the state and government offices to discuss where the priorities lie And that is a clear opinion and a clear picture.

00:29:27: The priority lies in lowering the energy price.

00:29:31: The priority also lies in the question about the ETS Certificate.

00:29:38: That is a system that we should think

00:29:42: about, but it's only marketable in the whole idea of transformation?

00:29:45: Yes!

00:29:46: But marketably not enough.

00:29:50: From my point of view this has been from the beginning an idea for this system to be used worldwide.

00:29:57: At the moment I see us using it only partially and that we have significant disadvantages with these applications.

00:30:04: The prices that have developed for this certificate are much higher than was originally expected.

00:30:11: On the other hand, it is also so that we must be careful in the competition situation of our industry and that we do not lose the competitive capabilities because they will lose production.

00:30:26: I said to myself We have reduced CO² emissions but that has gone a long way with reducing production from the pandemic times and other developments.

00:30:41: The world has not become greener per se due to the measures, but Europe has become a bit more urban.

00:30:46: And I have talked in my new speech in Vienna about this as well, when we talk about many comfortable uncertainties that we are talking about in the sense of the Canadian Prime Minister.

00:30:59: Markane should have taken out of this situation and put us in uncomfortable situations.

00:31:05: And therefore, I believe that the information wheel has brought results here because the Commission will suggest to us a proposal until March how we lower the energy prices especially the power prices.

00:31:20: The commission announced that they will also be in the omnibus simplification process, as well as in the environmental sector.

00:31:30: It has announced that the law with sunset glosses will be reviewed and held for a meaningful way.

00:31:38: Not everything but some of them can be connected to prevent sustainable growth of regulations.

00:31:44: She also announced that the suggestions she had made and which were not decided for a long time could be withdrawn again.

00:31:54: All these are steps in the right direction, I know it's always too late but this is just the price democracy has.

00:32:04: that takes some longer.

00:32:06: But I say quick decisions are only good if they're right.

00:32:11: What can this be about the industry?

00:32:13: There's a German subvention now at a certain level, is that European-thinkable?

00:32:19: Subventionation on a specific level is a way... We did it in Austria too and partly we do it now because we just have to take the pressure off of them.

00:32:31: but ultimately there's a difference between these two.

00:32:34: For example, Portugal costs the megawatt hour of electricity for four euros in the Baltic states over two hundred.

00:32:42: This is a discrepancy within the European Union that must be solved.

00:32:46: At the same time and according to the Austrian view we have a very high share of renewable energy in our energy mix partly ninety percent or more.

00:32:58: but pay For this renewable energy, the price that we generate with gas.

00:33:03: The power supply for electricity generated by gas is also a discrepancy which you have to solve as well.

00:33:13: There will be suggestions on it and hopefully not only will we decide about them.

00:33:17: Friedrich Merz has said he wants to make leadership in partnership.

00:33:20: He already wants to go ahead but of course doesn't want to act harmoniously.

00:33:24: What does the Austrian Chancellor expect from the leading role of the German

00:33:29: Chancellor?

00:33:29: I think he wrote it very well.

00:33:31: Europe needs leadership, that's not a question at all but partnership-wise this is how we are constructed and what we really are And i believe we can be successful in doing so even if the moment seems more difficult At the end of our day.

00:33:45: i am convinced That the best way to make decisions Is for us to have a better foundation for politics than... But what if Friedrich Merz makes certain decisions

00:33:57: with some countries and others, like for example Austria wouldn't be concerned about that?

00:34:04: I think the E-Sex, the most powerful nation to meet regularly now.

00:34:09: Is this something you see left behind or do we agree on it

00:34:14: then?

00:34:14: I believe both are right.

00:34:15: On one hand i see it as left behind because there is nothing in it but a lack of opinion when it comes down to strong nations.

00:34:22: On the other hand, it is clear that we have decision-making processes in the European Union to ensure that small and medium-sized countries are then included.

00:34:31: And not only are they included but also belong and can bring their positions into action.

00:34:37: So I don't think one should be cautious about this.

00:34:41: In the end of the day, the result... The European Union has a constitution which often criticizes measures for making sure there aren´t any obstacles.

00:34:52: We are experiencing a massive increase in Europe.

00:34:54: The European enemy of NATO should be strengthened.

00:34:57: Millions flow into this sector, how does the neutral Austrian value this militarisation?

00:35:03: Yes that

00:35:05: is also for Austria.

00:35:06: we're a neutral country but neutrality prohibits us to be self-defeated and we invest more in our government as well.

00:35:16: We have increased expenses here because Manches von dem wir geglaubt haben, dass es ganz sicher ist oder manche Entwicklungen die wir für unveränderlich gehalten haben sich anders gestalten.

00:35:32: Und

00:35:33: gerade Österreiches Land am damaligen Eisern an Vorhang... Wir haben ja erlebt wie der Kommunismus und die Sowjetunion zusammengebrochen isst.

00:35:42: das war ein Aufbruch in eine Zeit wo wir davon ausgegangen sind.

00:35:46: unsere Formen der Demokratie The way we want to change the trade, that's what we will be able to implement worldwide.

00:35:57: We have to admit it didn't work out and in this new world which is currently being reorganized there needs again more defense ability not only Europe but also Austria.

00:36:08: There are

00:36:09: politicians in the country, especially on the right-hand side who want to keep a new economic cooperation with Russia not only forever but also have an envisage again.

00:36:18: For example when it comes to energy partnerships you're clear that they say there will be no economic close relationship with Russia for a long time as long as there

00:36:31: is war there?

00:36:32: As long as this situation is how it is and overfalls Russia into Ukraine Not in a peace solution, there is no possibility.

00:36:41: On the other hand I say that it's not about ending or connecting to eternal times but we are now going to reduce dependence on who always.

00:36:55: So if something should have been learned then it has to be widely set up.

00:37:01: The famous diversification will be the birth of time.

00:37:03: I remember one of your ancestors,

00:37:05: who wanted to go on a trip from Moscow to Kremlin separately with Putin.

00:37:14: Do you think that Europe should have direct communication channels for relevant personalities in the Kremlin?

00:37:21: What

00:37:23: my ancestors told me was that this trip at the time was agreed upon by the European Union and it wasn't an alone trip but... a part of the whole European strategy.

00:37:36: I would have liked it to be more successful back then, but that's neither in Karl-Nehe nor in Europe and in Putin, which is still there today.

00:37:47: I think we need channels after Austria because without talks no solution will be found for us.

00:37:52: I had experienced further solutions when there was no talk at first.

00:37:56: At the same time, I say that as long as Putin is not interested in this conversation it will be too little to have a channel.

00:38:02: But we need the channel and the willingness actually to negotiate on a day-to-day peace solution.

00:38:10: To Putin himself?

00:38:11: In

00:38:12: the end of the day it's probably also for Putin himself because he'll decide now.

00:38:16: Thank you very much, Chancellor.

00:38:16: You're welcome.

00:38:19: Ursula von der Leyen also used the stage of Munich Security Conference and attention at least a bit further around her.

00:38:35: I believe the time has come to bring Europe's mutual defence clause to life.

00:38:41: It is an obligation within our own treaty, Article forty-two point seven and for good reason it to stand by each other in case of aggression, or on simple terms one

00:39:00: for

00:39:00: all and all-for-one.

00:39:02: And this is Europe's

00:39:04: meaning.".

00:39:04: It

00:39:05: was felt at von der Leyen, that she would not let the leadership of Friedrich Merz stand alone.

00:39:28: Because her rhetoric will be clearer and harder.

00:39:31: And similar to their foreign contracts, Kaya Calles is the new agenda of this president – competition, economy and a new self-awareness in

00:39:40: Europe.".

00:39:41: This also matched the appearance of the British Prime Minister Kirsten Stammer who took up much time for the conference.

00:40:01: So my message today is the United Kingdom is ready.

00:40:04: We see the imperative, we see the urgency... ...we want to work together to lead a generational shift in defence industrial cooperation so that we must look at where we could move closer To the single market in other sectors as well.

00:40:22: The price here is greater security, stronger growth for United Kingdom and EU which will fuel increased defence spending And a chance to place UK at centre of wave European industrial renewal.

00:40:40: Yes,

00:40:40: they understood.

00:40:42: Yes the Europeans know what to do is.

00:40:49: maybe tomorrow will not be the answer on how Americans fall out as you have already painted in rhetoric here but then perhaps over the next morning The threat situation we are experiencing here in Europe, which is no longer being discussed.

00:41:13: Dr Thomas Daum also knows about it.

00:41:15: He's the inspector of the new part-time power cyber defense space and therefore responsible for security at all but also the defense of cyber attacks on Germany.

00:41:28: There are about one thousand two hundred per week on German companies So about all nine minutes.

00:41:32: But even with the Bundeswehr, thousands of attacks are recorded daily on their systems.

00:41:39: The exact number naturally keeps the troops secret in order not to give any hints against them.

00:41:44: Again and again, GPS interference in the Baltic Sea, drones over casers, anti-aircraft, memes in social media behind which no real people are hiding at all but foreign secret services.

00:41:56: Mimic warfare is called the feint imitated protest.

00:41:59: The man responsible for this detachment in the cyber room is Thomas Daum.

00:42:04: He leads between sixteen thousand soldiers and soldiers in the Cyber and Information Room.

00:42:09: Since last year, these part-time forces have been integrated into the Air Force, Marine and Air Force.

00:42:15: And just to compare... The Marine also has around sixteen thousand service posts!

00:42:19: So from that man I wanted to know how fast we can take the gaps of power in all of Europe?

00:42:27: and how it works exactly with the support of his squad for other teams.

00:42:32: A nice good day, Gerhard Merhalff!

00:42:34: Welcome to Tim's Channel!

00:42:34: Thank you very much for your invitation.

00:42:36: Without

00:42:37: satellites nothing is going on anymore – reconnaissance, early warning… All modern systems are on these services.

00:42:44: We lie pretty far back, right?

00:42:45: So we're not lying on our backs

00:42:47: at first but rather working a lot so that we can improve this situation significantly.

00:42:52: Of course Satellites on the sky, communication satellites, intelligence satellites.

00:42:57: They are limited in numbers and range.

00:43:00: of course You have to ask yourself where do we come from?

00:43:02: We're coming here out of several cards now, a feeling of peace, of being friends with one another And to limit ourselves to peaceful measures.

00:43:13: So our typical crisis approach to the past.

00:43:16: In this situation there was always a priority for some autarky.

00:43:21: So we had a certain core capability of support for the operation.

00:43:24: That's why we limited ourselves to two communication satellites, the geostationary at the Himmelheng.

00:43:29: It was completely sufficient and when we had to send one ship from practice and other things to America via warship then our satellite providers were invited by us.

00:43:42: This is what we lived with until about twenty-two years ago.

00:43:45: Correct, but you have to say a little bit came the consideration already since twenty-four years with the first attack of Russia on the Ukraine on the Kremlin.

00:43:52: So that one might have to think about it in the sense of international distribution.

00:43:58: And therefore there is now a massive need for this.

00:44:00: You can't get the turnaround within three years if they still have so much money available because everything has also had to be produced.

00:44:07: They just have to bring it back to the sky at Sardinia .

00:44:10: That's quite complex.

00:44:11: Newly, a man from the

00:44:13: security scene says to me that if there were rocket-ballistic aircrafts that would shoot at Germany and Berlin then we'd only get it when they flew directly out of Kudan.

00:44:24: Is this true?

00:44:25: Of course as

00:44:26: Germany we have little capability in this area.

00:44:31: but here we are integrated into NATO.

00:44:32: There is NATO, ballistic missile defense.

00:44:35: There's sensors, there're effectors... That means Europe itself is already under some kind of block.

00:44:41: But there are other nations that have these satellites in the sky, especially Americans and other autopartners.

00:44:49: In this area we know what the ability of trackers is, to recognize them or to track them on the runway.

00:44:57: And if necessary also to illuminate it for shooters from the moon.

00:45:01: at the moment we don't have any capabilities in space.

00:45:03: How would it be

00:45:03: specific when a rocket goes up in Weissmussland?

00:45:05: Who tells us when something has to do with

00:45:08: it ?

00:45:09: So... It will be recognized through satellites, no German satellites.

00:45:13: It will be carried out and then the forces that are disloyal to an appropriate countermeasure.

00:45:21: How vulnerable we really are?

00:45:24: Vulnerable against ballistic aircrafts.

00:45:26: We now have our first system of arrows,

00:45:29: etc.,

00:45:29: which can be used in this regard .

00:45:33: We're not as focused on how Israel is, nor so focused like Americans.

00:45:37: Once again, we come from a time when we didn't invest money for these

00:45:42: things.

00:45:43: How specific is the plan of transport?

00:45:45: We now have ten satellites until the end of this year.

00:45:48: What's your goal and at what times?

00:45:49: There are quite accurate assumptions

00:45:52: about which projects we want to operate on.

00:45:57: That also includes ballistic aircraft defense.

00:46:01: We want to improve our communication satellites.

00:46:06: We want a web in the space of space, because we bring the Internet into the space around our communications infrastructure as much as possible with bigger constellations and... Smaller satellites, which then also contributes to resilience.

00:46:21: We will continue investing in Synthetic Aperture Radar.

00:46:26: This is a reconnaissance satellite that shoots micro-wheels on the ground and reflects them.

00:46:33: A picture of the ground produces advantages.

00:46:37: You can fly through clouds with rain

00:46:40: etc.,

00:46:40: while these waves are not limited so that you have images at every weather station night etc.. always get equal quality.

00:46:48: This is the system we already have in use, that's what modernized us right now.

00:46:54: with this modernization We will shoot satellites again and gain this ability once more.

00:47:01: So there comes the use of electro-optical sensors which are then dependent on weather and clouds infrared sensors And also the idea that we're electronic.

00:47:14: So we want to recognize e-Lint from the all accordingly.

00:47:17: For this, we will build appropriate satellite systems and shoot them into the sky.

00:47:25: The whole thing is then expanded by a larger number of smaller satellites.

00:47:31: In the meantime it is possible with the miniaturization.

00:47:34: in the meantime We therefore want to increase the number of satellites so that In the case of the opponent, we lose a satellite out of play.

00:47:43: We do not immediately lose fifty percent of its capacity.

00:47:45: Of course it is also true that in production of satellites you have to come into a continuum so that we shoot up a few satellites almost like Elon Musk every year .

00:47:57: So that they always have the last possible state of technology with each year and don't shoot up now a constellation which then runs for fifteen years and over these fifteen years technically taken over.

00:48:10: We want to go into a rolling renewal, where we are then in the position of

00:48:16: setting up a new satellite for every two

00:48:17: or five years , even if you fall out of the satellite so that it will replace them .

00:48:26: Or that he is taken from the game to replace him?

00:48:29: If one looks at Chinese and Americans what they invest in their military capabilities in all, there seems to be thirty billion as a drop on the stock market.

00:48:36: Yes, more is

00:48:37: always possible.

00:48:37: But we have to implement it somewhere because all that what we conceive and what we see as a demand system for which we hold relevant in order to produce necessary skills has to be implemented by the national international industry at the end .

00:48:58: And especially on the subject of satellites.

00:49:00: here too with MSC They should not only think about the satellites, they also have to look at the carrier rockets that bring them into space.

00:49:08: And for this you need a starting point as

00:49:10: well.".

00:49:10: That would be my question – is it really the biggest factor?

00:49:13: The technology isn't there yet and we can do so with our money right now but it's launch time!

00:49:18: So launch capacity is certainly a bottleneck with the topic.

00:49:21: We actually had it during the accident in Ariane, that we had to pack all these lines and push them over by ship into America so they were then shot from Elon Musk's sky.

00:49:32: That of course was something where until now we have always understood this as an entire package which means there has been a contract, a contract signed for bringing one line on the sky.

00:49:45: a challenge for the employees of each company to take care of this whole package.

00:49:53: To build satellites, bring them somewhere in the hall and then prepare the control and management segment.

00:50:00: Here I can imagine that we have to think about it again so that with launch capacities you choose a parallel path.

00:50:09: So let's have a satellite where we can also take care which then also have the capacity to be available, if we have a short period of time that has to go up in satellites.

00:50:22: How can Isayah Express as

00:50:23: the German start-up company talk on the MSC about this ability gap in the next five or ten years?

00:50:29: I think it is the German company

00:50:33: who now has the best view on smart places which, of course also with the international cooperation that they are obviously building then get the corresponding areas where you can build start-ups.

00:50:49: I think this as an alternative to the start-up places there is, so KORO in Africa and

00:50:57: etc.,

00:50:57: will of course again clearly contribute to international capacity.

00:51:05: We have with our, be it national or also national military interests.

00:51:13: At times there will come an agreement on how we can secure launch capacities that are available to us when the company X has been built in its own way and then the company Y or the ESO Space which is going into the

00:51:28: sky.

00:51:28: You're the youngest member of the party, explain your hearing.

00:51:31: their abilities, which they develop or sometimes already have now help the other units of water and air.

00:51:37: We like to treat ourselves as

00:51:41: eyes and ears and nerve systems of the federal government – that is our support task.

00:51:48: In fact you can do it just as well as logistics or sanitary services.

00:51:54: On the other hand, we are of course also an own combat squad.

00:51:59: Because with our abilities that we have – I now call them offensive cyber operations and offensive operations in the area of Eloca, PsyOps in the field of information transfer, there is also capabilities which can bring us together in the sense How

00:52:22: big is the threat of cyberattacks that we are experiencing and which you should now defend?

00:52:28: Well,

00:52:31: my order in peace now is to protect the networks of the federal government.

00:52:36: An attack on a cargo or an airport... But

00:52:37: also your system will be attacked daily like this?

00:52:39: They'll be attacked every

00:52:40: day at twenty-four o'clock.

00:52:43: And what do they know about it too?

00:52:45: Attribution with up until then such a court-based attitude is naturally always difficult within context But of course we have a clear feeling where these things come to the fingerprints that you can see clearly.

00:52:59: This is again this APT from there, State Sponsored Hackers which then we will see how they operate

00:53:07: against us.

00:53:07: Then do we lead a cyber war?

00:53:10: So it's not yet a Cyber War because in the sense of the definition of war everything remains under the threshold for violence.

00:53:17: You can't quote it as a hybrid war leadership yet.

00:53:21: It will be quoted very quickly, but it is also considered a hybrid threat.

00:53:26: So hybrid sabotage, espionage, cyber attacks in the election spectrum and in the information environment – that's what happens at this time of the year, on June the twenty-fourth, where my troops are continuously demanding protection from the federal government.

00:53:44: What is the purpose of these attacks?

00:53:45: Of course you can't go into detail, but what do the attackers want

00:53:50: to do with it?

00:53:50: The essence of the hybrid influence is certainly divided in two.

00:53:54: The military view on this is always... At some point it comes to a conflict, at other times the war.

00:54:00: This is the hybrid activity before shaping or preparing the battlefield.

00:54:06: That means you try to make the people insecure and discredit the government.

00:54:13: You try to damage the economy And as the classical military then says we shoot like a storm.

00:54:20: Before we go over to the actual war.

00:54:23: This is the one point that I also keep as a goal of hybrid activities for absolute value.

00:54:29: But there's another context, if you read Clause Witz then it says war has its purpose to force the opponent against the will so that the opponent can hold on until they get what they want.

00:54:40: and we are in the game field hybrid.

00:54:43: If you produce electricity in Munich Hamburg Berlin at the same time They deal with the population in other ways.

00:54:51: The question of economic damage is immediately asked, which can be relevant.

00:54:57: then the government is pulled into doubt that the government cannot protect us.

00:55:02: This happens especially well before a national election when these things coincide so to speak.

00:55:08: they know DDoS attacks distributed denial-of-service.

00:55:12: What's the effect?

00:55:13: The effect it has on any server?

00:55:16: not being able to attack the money machine does not work, where they just want to lift something.

00:55:20: In the end you get annoyed that there is nothing working and shampoos over the government, the Sparkasse, the airport in which a service no longer works because of such an Adidas attack?

00:55:35: And the statement says here nobody cares about us.

00:55:38: we are not protected properly.

00:55:39: That means the damage is at the beginning almost zero compared with the technical one.

00:55:44: There's no system failure But the will-come in the field of information, because people complain about it can cause a completely different effect.

00:55:51: All this remains under pressure for violence.

00:55:56: No one is injured there first but then the waves are high here.

00:56:03: Thank you very much

00:56:04: for that talk.

00:56:04: You're welcome!

00:56:05: That was our last MSC special from Munich Security Conference.

00:56:11: On Monday we are back with the usual duo with Helene Bubrowski also with an interview that you are very interested in and which comes from the security scene.

00:56:23: But surely then again with other topics, I'm happy if they're back on Monday as well.

00:56:27: Until then, bye!